President Donald Trump’s former vice president, Mike Pence, claimed current VP JD Vance has never asked him for advice.

“We haven’t ever spoken,” Pence, 66, revealed during an interview on MS Now’s Way Too Early With Ali Vitali on Thursday, April 23.

Host Ali Vitali seemed stunned that the two politicians haven’t connected since Pence is the “only other person who understands innately what it is to be Donald Trump’s vice president.”

“People change their views. I remember the vice president [Vance] was a pretty strong critic of our administration,” Pence replied. “He showed up a lot more on your network than a lot of other Republicans.”

Prior to joining the Trump 2024 campaign, Vance, 41, was at times a strong critic of the MAGA movement. At the 2024 vice presidential debate, Vance was asked about once calling Trump, 79, “unfit for the nation’s highest office” and suggesting he could be “America’s Hitler.”

“I’ve always been extremely open that I was wrong about Donald Trump,” Vance told moderator Margaret Brennan in the October 2024 debate.

During his new interview with Vitali, Pence opened up about Vance changing some of his political stances to more closely align with Trump in recent years.

“I don’t begrudge him [changing his views],” Vance told Way Too Early. “People change their opinions, and he’s changed his views.”

The former vice president added, “When I look at 2028, I think it’s going to be more important to focus on what we’re for before we focus on who we’re for.”

Us Weekly has reached out to the White House for comment.

Trump firmly broke with Pence when the vice president agreed to certify the results of the 2020 presidential election, which Trump lost to Joe Biden. (Trump maintains to this day that he rightfully won the 2020 election.)

Meanwhile, Vance has come out firmly in defense of Trump amidst a series of scandals in recent weeks over the Iran war and a dispute with the Vatican. Vance warned Pope Leo XIV to stay out of American politics after the religious leader called the war a “delusion of omnipotence” and a “discourse of death” during his Easter speech on April 9.

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“[President Trump] has to look out for the interests of the United States of America,” the politician told Fox News on April 15. “That inevitably means that when the Vatican comments on issues of public policy, sometimes there’s going to be agreement and sometimes there’s going to be disagreement. … I certainly think that, in some cases, it would be best for the Vatican to stick to matters of morality, to stick to matters of what’s going on in the Catholic Church. Let the president of the United States stick to dictating public policy.”

He went on, “When they’re in conflict, they’re in conflict. I don’t worry about it too much … I think it’s a natural thing. I’m sure it will happen in the future.”

Vance converted to Catholicism at age 35 in 2019 after growing up in an evangelical family.