Carlson: “…he was definitely murdered, I think… there were signs of a struggle, of course. The surveillance camera, the wires had been cut. He had just ordered take-out food, come back from a vacation with his friends on Catalina Island. No indication at all that he was suicidal. No note and no behavior. He had just spoken to a family member on the phone.

And then he’s found dead with blood in multiple rooms. So that’s impossible. Seems really obvious he was murdered. Have you talked to the authorities about it?”

Altman: I have not talked to the authorities about it.

Carlson: “Um, and his mother claims he was murdered on your orders. “

Altman: “Do you believe that?”

Carlson: “I- I’m, Well, I’m I’m asking.”

Altman: “I mean… you, you just said it, so do you, do you believe that?

Carlson: “I think that it is, um, worth looking into. And I don’t… I mean, if a guy comes out and accuses your company of committing crimes, I have no idea if that’s true or not, of course. Um, and then he is found killed, and there are signs of a struggle. I… I don’t think it’s worth dismissing it…I don’t think we should say, well, he killed himself when there’s no evidence that the guy was depressed at all. Um, I think… and if he was your friend, I would think he would want to speak to his mom or…

Altman: “I did offer, she didn’t want to.”

Carlson: “So, do you feel that, you know, when people look at that and they’re like, you know, it’s possible that happened. Do you feel that that reflects the worries they have about what’s happening here? Like people are afraid that this is like…”

Altman: “I haven’t done too many interviews where I’ve been accused of, like…”

Carlson: “Oh, I’m not accusing you at all. I’m just saying his, his mother says that.”